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  1. ps2kid

    At least Kat didn’t sell that Atomic Drop like Mr. Perfect on the video. LOL!

  2. anon y mouse

    What was Jeff saying there?  Whatever it was, I get the impression it’s nothing good.  I think Dawn may be right that ’small girls’ are good at winning.  That may be partially due to their rivals underestimating them.

    -A. mouse

  3. M.G.C.

    Power-Gal!!! Power-Gal!!! is she alright? Impossible…. “Power-Gal” is in pain.. I really REALLY REALLY can’t believe it… How come? My “Power-Gal” Katherine Smith is lossing…

    Panel 1: “Power-Gal” Katherine Smith, got “Mighty” Monica Rumble on a bearhug..
     
    Panel 2: wHA! tha!.. “Mighty” Monica Rumble just punch “Power-Gal” Katherine Smith.. One punch, I repeat one punch.. how powerful is “Mighty” Monica Rumble? No can punch “Power-Gal” Katherine Smith and weaken her, it’s not hard to believe..
     
    Panel 3-4: ”Mighty” Monica Rumble just atomic drop “Power-Gal” Katherine Smith… why did “Mighty” Monica Rumble, used an atomic drop.. 3 conscecutive German Suplex is more painful.  

    Panel 5: YeY for “Mighty” Monica Rumble… I like “Mighty” Monica Rumble rather than “UltraGirl” Sabrina Mancini…  YeY for “Mighty” Monica Rumble…. Ahem.. Ahem..

    Is “Power-Gal” Katherine Smith crying? her back is in pain… Let me massage “Power-Gal” Katherine Smith after this match  :D
    “White Queen” Chloe De Sade is in shock… Can Somebody offer a queen’s chair to “White Queen” Chloe De Sade..

    I have to agree with Dawn, Monica was the underdog on this match.. 

    Still I go for “Power-Gal” Katherine Smith for the win..

    Cheer Loudly Even LOUDER :tired:
    Let’s Go “Power-Gal” Let’s Go Clap Clap
    Let’s Go “Power-Gal” Let’s Go Clap Clap
    Let Go Kat Smith.. Let’s Go Kat Smith.. Stomp.. Stomp..
    Let’s Go Kat Smith.. Let’s Go Kat Smith.. STomp.. Stomp..
    Come On “Power-Gal” Katherine Smith.. Come On…
    Come On “Power-Gal” Katherine Smith.. Come On…
    Come On “Power-Gal” Katherine Smith.. Come On…

    Raising my Banner…
    Banner 1: “Come On Power Gal Katherine Smith”
    Banner 2: I’ll be your Knight, “White Queen” Chloe De Sade.. Knight me my Queen..

    Cheer Loudly Even LOUDER

    Let’s Go “Power-Gal” Let’s Go Clap Clap
    Let’s Go “Power-Gal” Let’s Go Clap Clap
    Let Go Kat Smith.. Let’s Go Kat Smith.. Stomp.. Stomp..
    Let’s Go Kat Smith.. Let’s Go Kat Smith.. STomp.. Stomp..
    Come On “Power-Gal” Katherine Smith.. Come On…
    Come On “Power-Gal” Katherine Smith.. Come On…
    Come On “Power-Gal” Katherine Smith.. Come On…

    Raising my Banner…
    Banner 1: “Come On Power Gal Katherine Smith”
    Banner 2: I’ll be your Knight, “White Queen” Chloe De Sade.. Knight me my Queen..

    M.G.C ROAR!!!!!!!! MORE LOUDER FOR “POWER-GAL” KATHERINE SMITH

    Let’s Go “Power-Gal” Let’s Go Clap Clap
    Let’s Go “Power-Gal” Let’s Go Clap Clap
    Let Go Kat Smith.. Let’s Go Kat Smith.. Stomp.. Stomp..
    Let’s Go Kat Smith.. Let’s Go Kat Smith.. STomp.. Stomp..
    Come On “Power-Gal” Katherine Smith.. Come On…
    Come On “Power-Gal” Katherine Smith.. Come On…
    Come On “Power-Gal” Katherine Smith.. Come On…

  4. M.G.C.

    Re–
    Panel 3: “Mighty” Monica Rumble carried “Power-Gal” Katherine Smith half way for a german suplex
    Panel 4: “Mighty” Monica Rumble used the atomic drop…

    Question..
    Could it be? that “Mighty” Monica Rumble, can’t go all the way for the german suplex, I mean “Mighty” Monica Rumble’s strenght can’t carry “Power-Gal” Katherine Smith for the german suplex?
     
    Re
    Panel 2: Looking at “Mighty” Monica Rumble’s body? what’s the curve on her abdoninal? is it 4 pack? 8 pack? ah?
     
    Re:
    Panel 4: Look at “Power-Gal” Katherine Smith. I really can’t image what I am seeing.. “Power-Gal” Katherine Smith is losing… UNBELIEVABLE 

    Cheer Loudly Even LOUDER

    Let’s Go “Power-Gal” Let’s Go Clap Clap
    Let’s Go “Power-Gal” Let’s Go Clap Clap
    Let Go Kat Smith.. Let’s Go Kat Smith.. Stomp.. Stomp..
    Let’s Go Kat Smith.. Let’s Go Kat Smith.. STomp.. Stomp..
    Come On “Power-Gal” Katherine Smith.. Come On…
    Come On “Power-Gal” Katherine Smith.. Come On…
    Come On “Power-Gal” Katherine Smith.. Come On…
    Raising my Banner…
    Banner 1: “Come On Power Gal Katherine Smith”
    Banner 2: I’ll be your Knight, “White Queen” Chloe De Sade.. Knight me my Queen..
    M.G.C ROAR!!!!!!!! MORE LOUDER FOR “POWER-GAL” KATHERINE SMITH
    Let’s Go “Power-Gal” Let’s Go Clap Clap
    Let’s Go “Power-Gal” Let’s Go Clap Clap
    Let Go Kat Smith.. Let’s Go Kat Smith.. Stomp.. Stomp..
    Let’s Go Kat Smith.. Let’s Go Kat Smith.. STomp.. Stomp..
    Come On “Power-Gal” Katherine Smith.. Come On…
    Come On “Power-Gal” Katherine Smith.. Come On…
    Come On “Power-Gal” Katherine Smith.. Come On…

     

  5. albone

    ps2kid, no one can sell the atomic drop like Mr. Perfect. :D

    A.Mouse, yeah Jeff was just being a smartass, it’s one of those things that I leave to you, the reader to interpret what he was going to say. Kat is very good, the small stature of Mighty Monica has clearly made Kat overconfident.
    MGC, clearly you are involved in this match!  Very cool!  Mighty Monica is laying a whupping on Kat, and if Kat doesn’t pull it together, she’s going to lose. As far as Monica using the Atomic Drop rather than the German Suplex, its a preference thing.  Monica uses the Atomic Drop in her move set and doesn’t use the German Suplex normally.  Still pretty effective. ;)
  6. albone

    MGC, just a quick heads up, my email isn’t working very well right now, but I will answer your emails as soon as it lets me.

  7. Salazen

    Awesome set. Nice timing too. You skipped the unimportant details, like the kick out or how many punches it took to get loose, to keep the action flowing. Unless there was something fancy in moving from pinfall to bearhug, all we needed was the announcers. Very sweetly done. It keeps the high pace feeling, even in what people refer to as rest holds, like the bear hug. :D

    Good to see some classing wrestling action again too. Atomic Drop is such a tradition of quick impact sorts, way more than some of the suplexes. And MGC, that’s not a proper German Suplex grip unless she’s going to roll through it. It may get called a German Suplex nowadays since Chris Benoit made the rolling german so popular, but that’s just a basic belly to back suplex position, if she was going to throw the Wild Kat over.

    Watching this action, I have to say, Hell’s Belles plan better come into play soon, or the Wild Kat is going to be spayed.

  8. Salazen

    Oh, as far as selling goes, yeah. Mr. Perfect was the king of sell. He could bounce like a rubber ball and not make it look totally comical.

    Shawn Michaels is almost as good, but he can get to be hilarious if he’s got to sell for someone he doesn’t want to. No one may sell like Curt did, but no one will -ever- oversell like Michaels.

  9. albone

    Thanks Salazen, I’m glad you enjoyed the update!  You totally got it.  I had to drop in some classic moves like the bearhug and atomic drop and now that you mention it, I might have to get the belly to back suplex in there.  Maybe even a sidewalk slam!  I remember when Mr. Perfect lost to Jerry Lawler and he just killed this slingshot into the turnbuckle post, hilarious!  But in a good way.  I hear you on HBK and the over/no sell, but I give him a pass because of his longevity, not counting the time he was away because of his back.

  10. ps2kid

    Salazen, I agree two things with you. First, about that skipping that unimportant details. The TV tournament is going to be very long arc. If every match took about six pages (two weeks) to finish, this TV tournament story arc is going to be very very long to finish. Not to mention, there are still other matches, backstage drama between Sabrina and other girls, and of course other matches beside this TV tournament. I’m suggesting that for every non-Sabrina, non-Upstarts, non-Hell’s Belle match should be made short. Like that 1 page match between Kristin & Brooke VS Catgirls.
    Second, about that selling thing. Yep, none could sell like Curt Hennig. Why ? Because he’s PERFECT damn it! He’s Mr. Perfect, duh. And that overselling thing that you mention about Shawn Michaels, are you talking about what he did during his match against Hulk Hogan in Summerslam 2005 ? LOL! I need to find video of that match in Youtube.

  11. M.G.C.

    If every match took about six pages (two weeks) to finish, this TV tournament story arc is going to be very very long to finish. Not to mention, there are still other matches, backstage drama between Sabrina and other girls, and of course other matches beside this TV tournament. I’m suggesting that for every non-Sabrina, non-Upstarts, non-Hell’s Belle match should be made short. Like that 1 page match between Kristin & Brooke VS Catgirls.

    Nooooo!!! It’s better longer.. The thrills, chills and action is there..  9-12 pages is okay for minimum match, non main event.. Hell’s Belle, “Shinobi” “Lil Dragon” Sun Wong”, “Mighty” Monica Rumble, “Latina Chick” Loretta Diaz must have many pages.. they’re awesome wrestler.. maybe in one point Sabrina won’t be having a match. for fairness… 
    heheheh… 

  12. JackAce

    If every match took about six pages (two weeks) to finish, this TV tournament story arc is going to be very very long to finish…
    Nooooo!!! It’s better longer.. The thrills, chills and action is there..  9-12 pages is okay for minimum match, …

    That’s the classical delemma of the Online Comic. While we’re waiting for the new updates to trickle in, we’d want everything to happen as quickly as possible. But when one reads the comic from the archives, one gets to appreciate the additional details you get in longer sequences.

    Here’s what I’d expect to be adequate lengths for most matches:

    Basic Match Length: 3 pages.
    Contains an Upstart or Hell’s Belle: +2 pages
    Contains Sabrina: +1 page (in addition to being an upstart)
    Is important for the current story arc: +2 pages
    Contains more than two wrestlers: +1 page
    Unusual Circumstances: +1-3 pages

    In all cases, that’s only counting full pages of wrestling action

    Following this system, Sabrina’s match against Loretta should have had 8 pages (Upstart, Sabrina, Story Arc, perhaps 1-3 more if you count her rivalry with Loretta as an Unusual Circumstance), so it was a bit over-length.

    This match here should weigh in at 7 pages (Hell’s Belles, Story Arc) and the upcoming Battle Royale should have between 7 and 9 pages (Story Arc, Multiple Wrestlers, Unusual Circumstance)

  13. M.G.C.

    Basic Match Length: 3 pages.
    Contains an Upstart or Hell’s Belle: +2 pages
    Contains Sabrina: +1 page (in addition to being an upstart)
    Is important for the current story arc: +2 pages
    Contains more than two wrestlers: +1 page
    Unusual Circumstances: +1-3 pages

    Waaaa!! Sabrina +1 page… she that special… Boooo! “Ultragirl”
    Basic Match…non favorites.. 3 pages with 8 panels.. like Victoria Beckinham, Xtina Carpenter,
    Match with Hell’s Belle 6 pages with 8-9 panels in regular match..
    (Hell’s Belle/Upstarts/Monica/Loretta/Sara/Damage Inc/Brend Rua) <=any of the characters involve in the Hell in Cell 30 pages with 8 panels
    Angel in the bank match,  20 pages with 8 panels 
    Lumber Angel (Guardian Angels match) 16 pages with 8 Panels
    Last Angel Standing Match 40 pages with 8 panels
    Iron Angel Match 35 pages with 8 panels..
    Battle Royal I think 10 pages with 8 panel.. some times 1 wrestler can eliminate 3 at the same time. so if that happen, pages will be less..
     
    More pages so detailed comics.. YEAH!!!

  14. M.G.C.

    I think Upstart girls, “Mighty”  “Mon Mon” Monica Rumble, “Latina Chick” Loretta Diaz, Hell’s Belle will have 9 pages in regular matches..

    Or to be fair of all the Rival Angels Roster.. whoever have fans (except the upstart girls / Hell’s Belle) can have +3 pages.. like right now.. “Mighty” “Mon Mon” Monica Rumble have fans cheer for her.. and I like to see “Mighty” “Mon Mon” Monica Rumble again in the future.. she’s cool.. with great power comes painful kick :D  

    “Latina Chick” Loretta Diaz also is impressive, she also deserve a 9 pages match with a win..

    I kinda think 9 pages is fine..
    it’s unfair we always go to see no good “Ultragirl” Sabrina Mancini in a longer match, and we got to see her in drama too.. so I think Hell’s Belle, Monica Rumble, Loretta Diaz have their share in this comic too you know..
    Monica, Loretta, Sara, Hell’s Belle, Catgirls are great wrestlers too.. they can show great moves too.. I bet “Mighty” “Mon Mon” Monica Rumble can destroy “Ultragirl” Sabrina Mancini..

  15. JackAce

    Waaaa!! Sabrina +1 page… she that special… Boooo! “Ultragirl”

    Well, she is the main character of the comic…

  16. albone

    Thanks for the suggestions and ideas on the pages and match length. 

    ps2kid, It’s sort of where I’ve been steering things.  Clearly, I’ve learned alot since the Rookie Fatal Fourway. I definitely appreciate the feedback and suggestions.
    JackAce, yeah, she is the main character. :P You summed that up great with the difference between reading it as it updates and the archives which is why I’m glad to be able to update three times a week.  And I like the ‘formula’ so to speak that you came up with.  Actually I really like it, but don’t hold me to it if I deviate from it a little, if nothing else because page panels can play a role in that, and it’d help to deviate to keep some surprise alive.  Very cool though.
    MGC, I love the enthusiasm for the wrestling action and I appreciate the feedback and suggestions.  Really, balance is the key in everything as far as wrestling, drama, story and pacing goes. Your dislike for Sabrina is documented, and we’ve already discussed that in earlier posts, but I’m happy that you still read and comment on Rival Angels.
  17. JackAce

    Sure, there needs to be some degree of variation.

    Pacing is one of the great arts in storytelling, and can never be completely reduced to fixed formulas.

  18. anon y mouse

    First, albone, I’m amazed that you can do 3 updates a week; I don’t know how you do it.

    Second, balancing pages so that they’re not too long or too short is important.  Even i was getting tired of the Sabrina match by the end, but it was an important match so I can’t see it being much shorter than it was.  Only 1 page per match is too short unless the match is almost over before it starts; but, one way to get through all the matches faster would be to have someone summarize them, or show a ‘highlight reel’, or something else that has some of the matches happen ‘off screen’.  Some of that could happen when the girls go to the bar, and someone there could tell them what they missed.  Of course, this assumes that some of the matches could be skipped without it effecting the story.  If they are important to the story they should be shown, and they should take as long as they need to take to tell what happened in them; both with the number of pages needed, and the number of panels per page needed.  If the story became too formulaic it would be boring, but having a basic idea how long the matches should take is good for general pacing.

    -A. mouse

  19. albone

    Thanks A Mouse, I have a good support system which helps in getting three pages a week. :)   And thanks for weighing in on the match page length.  I think you’ve given me a couple of good ideas here on the subject.  ;)

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