Chapter 15-Page-23-Grappling
These two are putting on a grappling clinic and it looks like Krystin’s go the upper hand, er foot!
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There’s some serious rolling going on here. Impressive exhibition.
And art!
Impressive rolling around but being a high flyer I find it slow…
Thanks! I always knew that these two would put on a clinic. I’ve been watching a lot of Invicta and UFC.
wow
Guillotine
Chloe De Sade also know that move
Sorry Albone
I really miss her
Ahem.. back to this
Xtina have bigger body, so I guess she is stronger than Krystin,
This is a nice match
back and forth match
COME ON XTINA
I agree back and forth is fantastic.
All of my tag team matches are back and forth…
I back the other side into the corner and Rose brings them forth when we tag and double team them.
Hmmm, I don’t know who would be stronger. Mark Henry said that the strongest guys in the WWE besides him were Cena and Cesaro. Cesaro isn’t bigger than a lot of guys, but he’s stronger.
Expect some more grappling from these two!
Oh, Xtina, you HAD it! If you’d switched from the choke attempt to a crank, you’d have won with that guillotine! GHAAAA!!!
That’s alright, though, because Krystin has basically surrendered the match to you in that last panel… right? You can transition to a winning submission from there, right?
Sometimes I HATE knowing a different moveset than everybody else. It makes watching fights so frustrating. The win is RIGHT THERE…
Want to coach me then?
Have to examine the fine print of my contract with Yvonne first. Somehow, I doubt I’m available…
Snickers. yeah right. Just don’t come to ringside buddy. You’ll regret that. Guarantee!
I’m training staff, not a goon.
Xtina would say that she didn’t have the choke deep enough and decided to transition to something else.
Exactly how I pictured this match starting out, a lot of ‘chain wrestling’. Very fun to watch. And yeah, it looks like Xtina just has to reach over and sleeper Krystin into oblivion.
Yes it does but Albone seldom goes for the obvious.
And it would have ended the match rather quickly and I feel there was too much build-up for this particular battle to end that way.
I would expect that it’s fair to expect some more from this match. Check the voting incentive for a sneak peek! (on the left side, bottom!)
In the past, when someone had their legs around me in a submission, I’ve used the ankle to force them to roll away, but that doesn’t seem to be what happened, or what Krystin is going for. To me, it looks like Xtina could find a winning position by bringing her body up to Krystin’s back, crossing and bringing in her legs to nullify the lock, and yes, applying that sleeper. Or, failing the sleeper, Krystin being a competent opponent, a crank.
I love cranks against submission specialists. They usually put themselves in position for it while guarding against more common attacks.
Given that cervical cranks are generally illegal outside of professional fights, where would you have done this?
I’ve heard that they’re “generally illegal,” but when it comes to specifics, you’d be surprised how seldom they’re actually mentioned. Three major local organizations in my city, and not one has rules prohibiting cranks.
Not surprising, considering how few people know about them. Every fighter I know who knows what a crank even is, I taught them.
Last I heard, FILA, NAGA, Grappler Quest, The US Judo and JJ organizations. I’m pretty sure BJJ would but have no direct experience there. Talking sanctioned competition, not junk yard dog gyms and/or combat or self defense. That was implied; sorry I didn’t make that scope clear.
Perhaps the fact that you taught the only people you know speaks to the point?
None of those organizations are relevant, as they aren’t governing MMA standards. None of the regional MMA promotions around me have rules against cranking the spine. I’ve checked. Thoroughly. They mostly have rules against initiating a technique intended to drop an opponent on their head – though if it happens in the course of reversing a technique of THEIRS, whatever. And they have rules against strangles, of course. Nothing whatsoever about cranking or wrenching or otherwise manipulating the spine.
As for the fact that cranks aren’t widely known in the US – so what? I’ve never been one to give up effective techniques because my opponent doesn’t know them. If I did, my stances would have to be retired since the 1980s. The martial arts world acts like it’s refining itself as the science of fighting while forgetting vast swaths of effective techniques because someone might get hurt. It’s sad.
Sheesh. I SAID outside of professional fighting from the get go.
And I dare say they’re as relevant to pro as mma is. More so in most cases. But what are these promotions? What style do practice, or what do the announcers bill you as? I’d be a bit leery of them myself. Like, why not go back to allowing knees to the head of a grounded opponent too? It’s ok to sever your spine but not scramble a few brain cells?
You said professional. I’m talking about amateur. I assumed you meant “professional” to differentiate from “amateur.” I’m not even sure what you’re talking about. Olympic-style matches? Intra-style competition?
The promotions I’m speaking of don’t have their own style. They host amateur fights. Those MMA fighters that are not yet paid to appear. There’s nothing inherently shady or substandard about them. There are SOME with certain ethical problems, granted (grrr), but not forbidding neck cranks isn’t exactly among them.
You lack experience with cranks, apparently. Yes, if done with absurdly excessive force, they could break the spine. In the same way, if you wrench an armbar too hard, you can destroy the shoulder and elbow. If you cinch in a choke too hard, you can cause damage to the neck’s structures and brain damage due to blocked blood flow. We’re not discussing games of pat-a-cake here. People can easily get hurt badly, often when submissions are done too forcefully. Fortunately, the spine is pretty flexible, and really hurting someone on accident with a neck crank is actually a lot harder than doing so with a lot of other submissions. Also, neck cranks cause people to submit REALLY FAST, because they’re terrifying. Most people I’ve applied them to don’t understand them, but they know it freaking hurts and they want to give in rather than let me control their head in that way, but they’re submitting well before the point of injury. I’d hurt the muscles along the spinal column (and possibly the deltoid) well before nerve damage. It’s safer than a sleeper, while being easier to apply and with a high rate of success.
Frankly, I’d suggest you look into them. I consider any fighter who doesn’t know a few neck cranks to have incomplete training. They’re solid gold.
Stranger and stranger. I know a half dozen ways to get a crank. That’s not the point. The point is the risk. A lot of holds are applied somewhat gently at first. AT first. That’s where we get the concepts of respecting the lock, and even more on point the tap or snap. But even so, unanticipated things happen and a broken neck is a risk to competitors not worth it as deemed by respected orgs.
And it’s strange to see this allowed when blood strangles are not. The sankanku and hadakajime are taught at level 3 and allowed in competition among many others.
Not seeing what’s so strange. Blood strangles are vastly more likely to cause accidental injury than neck cranks. They can easily cause lasting damage to the vital structures of the neck and to the brain if applied just a little too vigorously or for just a little too long. The unintentional injuries coming from neck cranks are far more likely to be to the muscles. In order to injure the spinal cord with a crank, you have to seriously want to, and frankly, it would be a lot easier to do it with a backbreaker or certain slams, which are also legal.
That’s why strangles are illegal in most MMA competition and cranks are not. I’m not sure where the confusion comes from here.
I’ve been over the rules codes with lawyers. (I didn’t have to pay for that, naturally – I hang out with lawyers, am becoming a lawyer.) Cranks are viable in any organization I’ll have to deal with. I’ve also gone over my moveset with doctors and physical therapists I know. Honestly, despite neck cranks being the core of my submission game, they don’t even rank in the top 3 ways I’m likely to injure the spine with perfectly legal moves.
That’s how it works in a sport based on causing physical trauma until the opponent can no longer continue. You’re not going to find a lot of perfectly safe moves. The most basic thing possible – the punch – can cause disfigurement of the face, brain damage, ruptures in the liver, kidneys, spleen, colon, etc. The job of the organizations promoting this sort of thing as a sport is to evaluate what techniques cause the most risk of accidental long-term injury and ban them. Strangles have been judged to meet that criteria. Cranks have been judged not to.
They’re too even out. So someone has to tap out soon.
Come on Xtina, show us how true wrestlers battle honestly.
Who ever runs out of gas first, loses! Or something like that.
Better yet the both struggle into a super tangled hold and the match is called, medical staff arrives and tries to get them unlocked.
They’re tangled more than a ball of rubber bands and just as flexible.
surprised krystin is getting crwod support, but then again the crowd doesn’t really know what she’s been up to backstage and in the “ivory tower”
nice back and forth match so far. (waves team xtina flag)
i also get the feeling that after all these complicated moves and submission attempts the match will end with a schoolgirl rollup.
I hope it ends with Krystin’s submitting personally. 🙂
Yeah, only the SMARKS know what’s going on backstage. Krystin still has a lot of fans, but so does Xtina. Either of them would get a significant boost with a win and the unified TV championship.
rumoryrumormillRA dot com claims Krystin has backstage heat with several grapplers in the back due to rumored unprofessional behavior behind the scenes which may or may not have invovled her former and/or current roomates. what has been confirmed is that taking the last donut that amanda breaker had called dibs on several weeks ago is not the issue referred to according to people who know people who stood next to people that spent a day working catering in RA once.
That is hilarious. 🙂
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That said, unless this is a submission only match, in the next to last panel, Xtina was pinning herself, which happens faster than a tap from guillotine. Is it sub only, or also pin fall?
Doesn’t look like her shoulders are flat to the canvas. I’m looking at the back of her shoulder in that panel.
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Usual rules apply. Xtina’s too smart to get caught like that and the count isn’t silent either.
These two are going to be putting on a clinic of mat wrestling, trouble is, their skill sets are so identical, every time one is able to get something locked in, the other already knows the counter. I think the winner of this match is going to be whoever can take a few steps out of their comfort zone and catch their opponent by surprise.
It’s looking that way, doesn’t it. Maybe they trained in the same gym?
You see this a little less often or strongly when people from different styles roll. Submission grapplers have pretty much the same locks and tosses but set them up differently or tend to favor some things over others.
That is an excellent observation. These two pride themselves on their ability to roll but something’s gotta give, right?
Thanks. Who knows? Maybe Dawn and Jeff will let me sit third chair at the commentary table some day
Awesome. 🙂
Hey man! Great to see you here. 🙂